ultimately, i live in a generation where for the first time there's going to be a lower standard of living than the previous generation that's not good. >> and i mean, i get i hear all that. you can genuinely say that people in russia and people in china have more liberties and people in the united states well, there's no free speech you have, you have a lot of free speech really. you think i have free speech. >> you don't think you have free speech, you know, i mean, what's the public square today? >> it's obviously social media. >> you have 3 million followers on x. you can pose whatever you want your hosting events here how do you not have free speech while kind of various speeches being curtailed, very simple. it's very simple. yes, i've 3 million followers on x. but what about instagram? i've been banned. youtube, i've been ban. i was banned from riaa, a dating site. >> jackson's bans might have something to do with his repeated sharings of hateful posts and his celebrations of violence

p.m. eastern and pacific. it is fascinating the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now my source tonight, donald trump now vowing mass deportations for immigrants who are legally here, starting with the targets of his lies about eating pets. >> how was he as he now says, that there might be a second debate that is vital the president harris is campaigning been deep, trump country trying to court rural battleground voters. we're going to dive into her new strategy in an election that looks like a nail biter and there's a study new report tonight the world is going to bring you about the failures of the secret service that day that donald trump was nearly assassinated. i'm kaitlan collins this is the source

expecting to see donald trump take that stage that you were looking at right now in las vegas after he spent much of the day ran tune while in battleground, nevada it's fueling some of his darkest rhetoric that we've heard from him. this campaign cycle. for starters, he's vowing mass deportations for people who are in this country legally as he continues to target and demonize haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio despite threats directed towards springfield city hall or its schools, trump refused to back down from his baseless lies today there are bomb threats at schools and kids being evacuated. >> why you still spread on this store, the real threat is what's happening. and i bought those he real problems just swatting that question about bomb threats on schools right away as he continued to fan the flames with this claim we will do large deportations from

springfield, ohio, large deportations. >> we're going to get these people out. what bringing them back to venezuela, it's like an invasion from then the largest deportation in the history of our country. and we're going to start with springfield and aurora those immigrants in springfield that he's talking about sending back to venezuela are from haiti and they are here in the united states, legally meanwhile, two republican officials and rora have said his claims about what's happening in that city or overstated. >> and that same press conference today though, trump declined to denounce the racist antisemite that he has been traveling across the country with. that's laura loomer, the 911 conspiracy theorist who was with donald trump. this 911 this disappointed, just like a lot of people are supports i don't control laura. laura has to say what she wants. she's or your allies have expressed concern. >> well, i don't know. i may look i can't tell you, laura what to do. laura loomer was

traveling with you on your plane lot of people don't with you made racist remarks about your opponent. >> she also espoused conspiracy theories about 9:11 do you disavow those remarks? >> have to see what the remarks? >> a short while after that trump posted on truth social saying that loomer doesn't work for his campaign, which it was not reported that she did. and also said he disagrees with her statements, though he declined to say which ones. on the other side of the campaign trail tonight, vice president harris is back in pennsylvania visiting two counties the trump won overwhelmingly in 2016 and 2020 hammering her opponent while on the ground, we'll talk more about what she said. well, there and a moment, but my lead source tonight is cnn political analyst and senior political correspondent for the new york times maggie haberman and magnate hearing trump talk about what he amplified to 70 million people on tuesday night. this this false claim about haitian immigrants in

springfield. now he's he's mixing that with his pledge to carry out mass deportations in a second term. but i mean, these are people who have temporary protected status. they are here legally, united states. >> they do. and it has been we have reported my colleagues jonathan swan and charlie savage and i have reported that as part of his vow to go through with mass deportations and he's been talking about this now for some time, they would try to end a tps status for a lot of people. this is actually in keeping with it. although as you know, he seemed not certain what country they were from and it's not venezuela, it's haiti. it's not surprising you are correct that it is mixing in a bunch of different threads and all it is trying to do is suggest people should be afraid of these immigrants. and it is something we have seen him do over a long period of time and people spend time trying to fact-check him. and by the time that's done the lie, he is saying or the no misleading statement is saying is already well down the street, right to this point, i was talking to pete buttigieg last night.

>> he was appearing as a campaign surrogate, not as transportation secretary. he thinks this is all just a big distraction technique. this was his argument this is a strategy and there's even more to it than demonizing immigrants salah, that's obviously part of what he's doing. this is a strategy to get us talking about the latest crazy thing that he did, whatever urban legend he amplifies right now, it's about people eating cats sergei whatever because he cannot afford for us to be talking about his record there's always a lot of talk about is trump playing chess or checkers? >> are we all just kind of falling for it? you've often reported it's actually not some grand strategy behind the scenes. what is your sense of what this actually is there? >> i think one of the most important quotes that was ever said about donald trump as president was by someone who told buzzfeed that everybody thinks this is 3d chess, but most of the time he's eating

the pieces and i think that is worth bearing in mind a lot. i do think that he is intentionally trying to get people to talk about this. that's definitely true. true. but it's not because there's been some large discussion necessarily about it being ripe politics, although his vice presidential running mate has been talking about this too, it's not like this is being offered to him by some person far afield and his campaign and he's just grabbing on it. he likes talking about these things. he likes creating controversy. he likes being the center of attention. i think the secretary is incorrect that this is some strategy to distract from his record, but i do think that it is a strategy to just try to drive new cycles. >> did they think it's helpful at all inside the trump campaign that, that it's putting a focus back on immigration and we're talking about the impact that the 20,000 legal migrants have had on a city like springfield? >> yeah, 100% they think this is actually a good politics for them. they think this is advisable to be talking about immigrants. i think that left to their own devices. some of them would not have liked to have seen the cats discussion

on the eating the pets from the debate stage but they do think in general, anything that highlights immigration as a controversial topic is good for them no matter how much race-baiting as part of it. well i mean, speaking of controversial topics, he spent half that press conference today talking about this, and then also laura loomer, who has been traveling around with him. >> we talked about the fact that you is it the 9-11 memorials with him on tuesday on the 23rd? on wednesday on the 23rd anniversary of 911. and it's caused quite a moment where he was getting getting ten questions on this earlier, where reporters were saying what she has said in the past that she thought 9-11 was an inside job, for example, and he was saying, oh, well, i'm not familiar with her past statements. what do you make of hit what he said on truth social tonight about her. well, so a couple of things to the question of is this a strategy? >> i mean, know oftentimes these are just things he wants to talk about and sometimes they align with good politics and sometimes they don't. and, you know, however, controversial they may be or

offensive, they may be in this case, there's nothing especially good politically about talking about the idea that 911 was an inside job a few days after the 23rd anniversary what i saw you posted on truth social is that she's not employed by the campaign and that she does and work for him, but she's a strong supporter and that's what he what he's happy. she's standing up for other i don't think he overtly says that but that is the point. right? i mean, she was supposed to get a job with the campaign last year. they rescinded it when we reported on it or enemy know how far down the road it was, but they were they were making plans to hire her. they decided not to move the head with that because she's controversial. however, she's around him, not infrequently. he clearly likes her he clearly wants to see what she will say donald trump as some of the people have known him the longest, have often said, likes people who will do anything for him and that is something laura loomer will do. >> so is that why he likes her? because she's basically willing to do two whatever she

she praises him and she sees herself as his biggest defender and she will go after people who are critical of him and on social media. and he likes all of that. >> today, he called her a free spirit and a supporter though he claimed to not know what what she had said it sounds it's a pattern of every time he gets asked felt someone who is controversial, just take a look at these other moments when he's been asked about this i don't know what she said. >> i don't know who the proud boys are. just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke. okay? >> i mean, he tried to pull that when he had dinner with nick fuentes and avowed white supremacist at mar-a-lago. i mean, this is a pattern that we do see. >> this is a go-to move for almost anything that he wants to not claim ownership of, be at people who are controversial, like the figures you just said, be at people who were employed by him, who he fired or he he dismissed heartland i know i'm barely worked here for a short period of time. he is a man of few

moves and he uses over and over again in the goal with all of these is to try to insulate himself and not be tied to it. >> he said today he might do a second debate with harris if he's in a better mood what's your sense in your reporting of whether or not he's going to actually do. i think it's not likely i think that if the polling doesn't really change in one direction or another, i think that he will he'll stay where he is ever changes toward him. and i really don't think he will i don't expect we're going to see some massive polling swing just because the country is so polarized, but we won't know until next week whether the vice president got a bump. i do think that his statement yesterday that there will be no more debates swiss taken a wee bit to iron clad for somebody who said the abc debate was terminated before agreeing to it again. and then thinking about dropping out and then showing up i have heard things are not great inside the campaign. >> what are you hearing about? what? >> what it's actually like behind the scenes with with his officials he brought on corey lewandowski, who was his campaign manager in 2016, for whom he has enormous fondness

he told olivia nausea at new york magazine that he likes him. he's a character or i just liked him, i think was the quote elbows and i don't know that it's exactly clear how things are going there right now. >> maggie haberman, thank you for starting us off. >> meanwhile, vice president harris is all in on pennsylvania tonight. >> look at where she's going though. it is specifically trump country as it's been known she also did her first solo sit down interview. we're going to bring that to you as we're also getting new reporting tonight on the failures by the secret service the pave the way for that trump assassination attempt got news for you? >> it's coming to cnn this fall pros and cons lists, pro hosted by roy wood, junior with amber ruffin would likely in black, hole. >> right. so what are the cons we could run out the news by then? >> but in all seriousness, i i

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kaitlan, that's it's really hard to pick the worst of these three because they're all really incredibly bad if we think about the radio room or command post, the issue first literally everything in law enforcement in the post 911 era has been drifting towards the town as for approach the joint command post approach, and the idea is you bring everyone who's responsible for the security of an event into the same room, specifically for this purpose so that they are all on hand. >> you can contact any expert you needed at any time and that you are all sharing the same communications. everybody brings their own we indications networks to that cp for that purpose, the idea that the service is not doing that in 2024 is just inconceivable to me the other the other issue with the roof is also i think equally as traveling and what really rings out to me here is the service new that there was

a real problem with the line of sight from that roof because they came up with a plan to block it. now it wasn't the best plan, but nevertheless, the fact that they had a plan shows that they knew that that was a real problem, and yet they didn't follow through on that plan and it didn't even tell the local police to put but in officer on that roof that's all they had to do. one person standing on that roof would have eliminated that danger and they never did it yeah. and it seems so simple and then i think the other sinister layer of this is. >> it also says the secret service was slow to ramp up security for trump as he's campaigning out there, even fight the fact that as we've reported, there was intelligence about an iranian state plot to kill and her political candidates. that's not why this shooter was on that roof from we don't have any ties between that. but having that background and the fact that they didn't do that or we're slowed to do that. what does that say to you? >> it is inconceivable that is

the most obvious oversight all security arrangements are premised on what we call a threat assessment before the event, you get your best minds together and you talk to you talked to your partners other agencies, and you get everybody's information together on everything that might add to this threat. in this case, we know they got that information, they got this intelligence about an increased threat from iran, operatives from iran, that is a very serious thing i can tell you from my many years and protecting events of all different kinds. >> and they didn't respond to do it like that's the purpose of the threat assessments. >> you know what the dangers are, and you can add additional resources and take steps to mitigate them. and that was apparently not done here at a satisfactory level. it's just i can't even i can't explain it. it's it's it's amazing and really concerning. >> yeah. well let's say they will certainly be asked to explain it. andrew mccabe,

thank you for joining us on this report tonight thanks. and all the campaign trail today, speaking about pennsylvania, we were seeing vice president harris as she was out on the road, she was asked about one of the most crucial battleground states in her path to victory. this is what she said i am feeling very good about pennsylvania. i feel very strongly that got to earn every vote and that means spending time with folks in the communities where they live and so that's why i'm here and we're going to be spending a lot more time in pennsylvania may be feeling very good, but cnn has also learned tonight that the harris campaign chair jen o'malley dillon, is skeptical of any one clear path to winningng the white house tht includes she taught her telling top aides last week, the pennsylvania looks rough oh, it's still very possible according to what they're seeing internally that could be why we have seen vice president harris spending seven of the last eight days in the commonwealth. that includes events that she had in two

counties that trump won by double digits in 2020, she was just there today out on the road i, source tonight is the pride of doylestown, pennsylvania and cnn's smerconish, michael smerconish, who better. >> thank you. my mother will love that. she thanks. to you. >> we aim to please mobs with this show, but but seeing her on the road in these two counties where she's probably the weakest when it comes to the whole state, the commonwealth overall, she's clearly trying to cut into those areas though. what do you make of where she picked to go today? >> well, those are areas where barak obama was successful. and hillary clinton was not. she wants to emulate the former and not the latter. there's an expression in business you've got to ask for the order, right? when i was trying cases at us an attorney, i had to ask for the verdict. she's making the ask. but i think it transcends being in just those two areas because what she talking about when she's there, among other things, she's talking about her prosecution of mexican drug cartels. she's talking about the need to apply for a job without necessarily

requiring something more than a high school diploma. she spoke today on a pennsylvania that television affiliate, the abc affiliate in philadelphia, about her own gun ownership. these are all issues that helped move her more toward the center. so she's asking for the order in those areas, but she's sending a message to the nation as well that she's not the san francisco progressive. you've been told that she is? >> yeah. and what did you make of that that intro? she did because she was criticized for not doing more media interviews. she's done the cnn interview with with with governor tim walz, but no others since becoming the nominee, no other major ones, but she's clearly going to local tv and pennsylvania to try to appeal to people who are watching the news is they're getting home and cooking dinner. and would there kids on a friday night? >> i don't think she's made herself accessible available to the extent that a person running for president of the aisle, states should be doing. i think this is a smart political strategy now to make herself available, not at the national level, not at the

network level, not the cable level, but instead to go into those battleground states, select the local network affiliate anchor as she did today with brian taf from the abc affiliate and consent to that interview? i think he did a fine job, but i don't think they play hardball at the network affiliate level the way that they do at the national level. and so therefore, i think she'll probably be treated with more kid gloves then she would if she were to sit down at cnn? >> yeah and you know, she's she's taking those questions. she's talking about things like that. she owns a gun that walz owns guns go in bigger picture overall with pennsylvania, what is happening there? because when i was talking to governor shapiro a few days ago, she's underwater there more than she is in places like michigan or wisconsin. visit about pennsylvania yeah that she needs to do to try to win even though we're constantly lumped with michigan and wisconsin. i think that there are distinct differences and that we don't necessarily move as a bloc. i have no idea who's going to win pennsylvania. i know all the

data. i know all the polling information. i know the state very well and i know all the anecdotal information what i'm told from people who are a butter knife away from me. i don't think that anybody knows what's going to happen in pennsylvania other than it may all come down to the state it's a staggering amount of money that's being spent on television commercials. caitlin, i feel now like i guess the people in iowa or new hampshire feel every four years. but can i tell the campaigns stop spending? your money on television because it's a wash. you know, to be watching an eagles game, to be watching any other from my god, it's one after the other after the other. it's just like enough. i think you have to spend enough to be credible. they've reached that plateau, spend it somewhere else. >> there was definitely obviously debate on tuesday was in philadelphia, but there was a micro targeting going on. but between the two candidates, i want you to listen to what harris and trump said on that debate stage let's talk about fracking because we're here in pennsylvania. >> i made that very clear in 2020 i will not ban fracking. i have not banned fracking as

vice president united states, my position shan is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy. so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. >> you will never allow fracking in pennsylvania if she won the election fracking in pennsylvania will end on day one. but if she won the election the day after that election, they'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead, fossil fuel will be dead what have you heard from voters in pennsylvania on my buddy david urban is going to disagree. >> he'll probably tweet at both of us tonight what he hears me say this again, i think it's an overblown issue. i think the perception from a national stage as to look at pennsylvania and say, well, you've got to be supportive of fracking or you can't win really? tell that to joe biden until that des josh shapiro, she's trying to thread a needle now, right by having this nuanced approach. but for every time someone tells you about a job that's at stake in southwestern pennsylvania. remember, there's no fracking

where i live in the philly burbs. nobody's fracking in the city. nobody is fracking and montgomery county, chester bucks, or delaware county? honey and there or where i live, there are environmental concerns. so in the end, i think it's almost a wash. i'm not saying it's it's it's a meaningless issue, but i think that it's overstated. >> that's really interesting because it is something that we talk about a lot. and i also wonder in the context of the contrast of appealing to those people in bucks county and other places. and what we're seeing, she's gotten a event with oprah planned the taylor swift endorsement, which maybe is a pennsylvania strength as governor shapiro claims are just from his own. yeah. but what does that look like in terms of voters in pennsylvania, do they care at all about i tell you what i think is the most important constituency in pennsylvania pena maybe nationally in this election. and it's not one that fits across tab in the poll. it's the oh, my don't make me vote for him again. am i going to have to vote for him again? it's the mindset of people who do not like him on a

personal level, listened to all that laura loomer right now. this is not a guy. i want to vote for. but you know what the economy is important and the market was pretty good and interest rates and so forth. and the price of butter and bread was a hell of a lot less. gasoline was reasonable. we weren't at war the way we're worried now about russia and the situation in gaza i am i going to have to do this? go reach those people michael smerconish in an expletive on a friday night on a school night, a love is a school night for me. >> remember that thank you so much. >> michael smerconish, great to have you on set meanwhile, 24 hours ago, we were telling you another debate was off the table for donald trump completely. but tonight he is wavered again. and now we're going to get some advice from one of his prominent republican supporters right after a quick break sunday, september 22, did nine on cnn. we move you said it the maasai's spike it. i'll tell them how liberty mutual

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positive. now, i think he's got to change his approach a little bit. it doesn't mean he has to know the issues better per say. i think he knows what he wants to say, but his style, i think would have to change a little bit, understanding what her style is. one thing that we nobody knew going into that first debate was what harris is approach her style, her demeanor, all of that sort of thing, how she would approach the questions. but that's kind of known now, my sense is that the vice president would take a similar approach. trump would have to change his, but could be very successful. he's got to get down to the level of the voter. he's got to talk at a more empathetic, more correct level and not just about like at 30,000 feet, right? it's not just their bad. we're good. they're not doing it, right? i agree with all that, by the way, what he's got to make a better connection with the voter in any chance, you have an opportunity to do that. that can only, they can only help them. >> well, you know, one thing, one week point, obviously, if that's a polite lightweight to describe, it, was the moment when he repeated the baseless claims about haitian immigrants on stage, which shocked some of his advisers, even. and just to

speak to that you didn't learn today that springfield area law enforcement they actually went through 11 months of calls that they got and not a single one was about pets actually being eaten or any claims of that do you think that the trump campaign should just stop talking about animals at this point great thing on a campaign. >> i always tell everyone running for office, hold the puppy, but we're talking about eating them and cat, ladies and all that. they have really handled it, handled it well, look, one thing you don't want in a in a debate is a negative viral moment, right? in a neg, something that can become a complete meme against you and mockery against you, whether it's true or not or anything like that. you just got to be careful about that and i don't think they really have that approach, but there's a lot of opportunity today. i think michael smerconish right before he had he hit it right on the head. it's not about fracking in pennsylvania. that's kind of an old school issue. it's exactly about those voters that

don't like him purse, don't like trump personally, but really hate the results in the policies coming out of the biden-harris administration and know that she's part of that. so it's that 8% that you really got to go get and they're gettable. a lot of them want truly decide they may be one way or the other today. but there's swing voters and they won't truly make up their mind until about the second or third week in october. so if the mood hits trump and he takes the right approach, a different approach, he can't do it the same way or he's going to get the same and result. and i thought i had some good points and some good moments in that debate, but they weren't ready for her style. and i think everybody universally pretty much agrees that that she outperformed everyone's expectations and it came off looking pretty good, especially compared to biden. so there's an opportunity there, but they have to use the opportunity the right way. and really i re-establish her connection with those voters is that they had in 2016 and you don't seem to think that he did that on tuesday night, speaking of the election, governor, you just signed a bill in your state

that will require those were voting for the first time to present proof of citizenship, meaning birth certificate, passport, other official documents, when they register and also it has a strict photo id requirement to vote. you had said before that you thought election changes weren't needed to. why did you change your mind things. >> the bill concern me because i didn't want the bill is signed to affect november 2024. it was too much too it was it was a change and it was going to be too much for all of our elected officials to adapt now that we've kind of waited to sign it, it doesn't really come into effect. a really 2026, and they can kind of train to it and all that. so we've taken care of that. we have a great sound system here in new hampshire. there's no question about it. but if so, do you have a great voter id law? hear it works wonderfully. and this is just saying when you register, if you're new voter, you just have to prove citizenship which everyone agrees only, at least in new hampshire, only citizens should be voting. so it's common sense stuff, it's a slight change, but i might concern was more about rushing it too fast

and messing up the training you need for the election officials going forward. but i think it will work as we enter the 26 election yeah. >> well, and of course, all states think that only citizens should be voting since it's, it's illegal. so i think some people may look at this and say, why do you need to sign something into law to stop something that's already illegal. >> well. again not all places. there's, there's talk right in my neighborhood, state of vermont where there's talk about allowing non-citizens to vote so no legal right now, people have discussed this no level. they've looked at for federal elections at all. but again, our federal, state and municipal elections are often, sometimes all in one election. so those things have to line up. so it's just a matter of saying, we also have same-day voter registration here, which is a great opportunity, works very well, but we want to make sure when folks come in in that same day they're not just promising that they're citizens, they just prove that

their citizens. and again, it's not much different than a lot of other documentation you need when do bank accounts and c, you said of various things across the country, you need to show that prove that you're a citizen and a variety of different ways. so that's all it's just making the system a little more secure and ensuring there's not going to be any fraud down the road yeah. >> but of course, there's not right now. you just said it's secure yourself, but glad to be able to ask you about that, governor chris sununu. thank you for joining us tonight. >> you bet. >> up next harris and trump are flooding the airwaves as you just heard michael smerconish mentioned, we want to show you what their top arguments are to voters, especially after tuesday night and also other trying to get under each other skin changing change and why i'm not changed sexual orientation of not changing the political party. >> we're going to go to the house with what we got here. okay. >> car saturday, october 5th on

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our political experts, karen finney and doug heye and karen, you're the democrat on this panel and you harris campaign officials told us that their internal data, what they were looking at said the abortion exchange is what resonated the most with undecided voters. and the question is, how long does that last? is it something that is what voters are taking with them to november 5 well kaitlan, thanks for that. >> look, i actually also saw some internal data that suggested that that moment was incredibly powerful and it was so on two fronts france number one, the actual issue of reproductive freedom and access to abortion, which obviously is a top of mind issue for many voters in this country also, the fact that donald trump was so out of touch with what is really happening day in and day out. two women and the medical community throughout our country the fact that he

doesn't understand what the impact of roe v. wade of it going back to the states, as he said and what that really means for women across this country who are suffering greatly now that this is way are this patchwork of laws is working? >> yeah. well, with abortion, you even trump sees that is one of his weakest areas. they knew it wasn't going to be the strongest moment in the debate. but when you look at what the trump campaign is doing on the flip side, there are new ad. this also started running tonight and it's the first that is error kring on national cable networks, take a look groceries cost you 20% more than mortgage payments astronomical bidenomics is working and we are very proud of bidenomics doug our count is that the campaign, the trump campaign has spent more than $35 million replaying that harris sound by two voters to really try to dig in with them

knowing that inflation in grocery prices is another top issue for them. >> the question is, do they tie that and do they blame harris? >> i think that's what they're trying to make happen and look, i'm not a smart as brian, so i can't tell you how many gross ratings points the debate was obviously 60 million people plus tuned in. it's a lot of eyeballs. and what the campaign is doing is what donald trump wasn't able to do during the debate. and this is what we see very often in this race, is there's trump and there's the trump campaign. and the professionals at the trump campaign are having to step in and do the advertisement that yes, they would do. anyways, but they're doing it without the sound bites of their candidate prosecuting that case. and donald trump should be, we hear this language used a lot about kamala harris. donald trump should be prosecuting a case about the biden-harris administration and those issues of where kamala harris and joe biden are underwater prices. number one, the border number two. and because donald trump goes off

in candyland, so often the campaign then has to come and do the professional thing that their candidate wasn't able to do. this commercial, which i think is a good one, is the perfect example of that. >> well, brian, when you look at that, i mean, on the debate stage, trump didn't hammer this as much as officials in his camp wanted him to. how important is it for his pupil? just watching the debate, having that moment resonate with them, but also them trying to pull it out play it again, again, again, again. >> it's critical. i mean, voters views of the economy are not just framed by the prices we pay. at the grocery store or our ability to negotiate for a raise at our job. it's also framed by the ads we see by the media environment we lived in as at the gas station day filling up the tank of gas is under $3 where i live. is that good or bad? she would be happy with that so it'd be unhappy with that. these ads help frame that discussion. these ads frankly, they help frame how voters feel about the economy. so when it comes to gas becomes a groceries, the repetition of these ads is crucial obviously the kamala harris campaign's argument is the economy is okay and we're going to make it

better. the trump campaign's argument is, it's a disaster. you should be related disappointed, right? i think when we're in pennsylvania, for example, the tug-of-war of these ads is never-ending. >> yeah, they're trying to tap into something that voters are already feeling. but karen, on that point, harris did a local interview with a pennsylvania local channel tonight and it was with a very prominent reporter, their shoes he was asked a question about differing from joe biden on the economy and on other issues. and she repeated something that she said on stage tuesday night, which was she said, i'm not joe biden and that's a new thing that we are hearing from her. what is it subtle? what do you make of what that new messaging is? >> well, it's important for her to differentiate herself from president biden and she's obviously trying to do it in a way that is not about disparaging the man himself, but that is about trying to set a new page and a new territory around. here's what i would do. and so i think that's what she's trying to accomplish

with that comment. >> doug what do you think look, that's it. >> but ultimately, think of the joy that we heard and all the euphoria from democrats when joe biden stepped away, she's not joe biden. that's why democrats are happy right now. trump's campaign is to remind voters, this is biden/harris policy, and that's what's important to them. >> brian, i mean, what do you what's your sense of watching it, you know, as someone who's i'm a little surprised if i'm surprised he's saying it out loud. she so obviously visually not joe biden right sheet. she is the hope and change and youthful energy in this race it's to me the images are more important than anything. she's saying right now when she keeps filling these rallies that's probably more important than what she says. both rallies. >> yeah. >> the other night she said, i'm also not donald trump, which i think everyone can agree on trump. thank you, everyone for being here. have a great friday night. >> thank you. >> up next we're going to talk about dolphins quarterback tua tagovailoa, who is now hearing calls about retiring after he sustained another concussion.

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leaning in headfirst into a tackle as head was sent to the left before he ended up on the ground. there's only minutes later that the team confirm what we all saw happen on our screens, but it was another concussion making it at least the third no one that he's had in his nfl career prompting comments like this concussion history, one was sincerely doubt that he should to a tunco by lowest family is going to talk to him about what your life looks like after football does not sound retire, it's not worth it it's not worth play the game i had witnessed anything like i've seen this happened to him three times. >> i just think at some point, you know he's only have long played football, take care of your family my source tonight on this is damon and men laura sports insider and host of sirius xm show, the da and it's great to have you because to hear antonio pierce there at the end, say that it's something he's a tough coach

and an active nfl coach telling an active nfl player, you should now retire. the issue is that to a tagovailoa has been the subject of multiple difficult images to digest. and so there's concussions that happened quite often, but his seem to be the ugliest in 2022, he suffered two notable concussions. one when his head hit the turf and he got up and stumbled trying to get back to the huddle and they did not diagnose that as a concussion and let him come back into the football game and finish then the next week, he hit his head again on the turf against the cincinnati bengals and has to be carted off so the football community has seen him in really ugly situations, too many times. and this one is kind of a breaking point last night. >> yeah, it's just an agonizing moment. obviously. he was the quarterback at alabama. >> we loved watching him, his family just everyone loved him. >> he was beloved and to see this moment, you know, when this was happening last season and he was talking about those in 20202023. he was sorry. his

kids now, his two children and taking that into consideration. so when when antonio pierce said there, you know, take care of your family like consider you're going to live longer than you're going to play football. it's such a moment for any player who has to weigh their health against their love of the game. >> absolutely. and the fact is that today also mike mcdaniel, the dolphins head coach, said please do not speculate if you do care about tua tagovailoa, don't tell him what to do, which i think is this other very delicate get line that we walk where two is probably going through some emotional ups and downs in that the world is telling you to give up something that you love. what does that do to a human psyche as you walk through this? so all of this is very fraught and all of this is very delicate. >> well, and it raises the question the more we learn about cte and players protecting themselves in these moments, there's a question of is there ever a moment where the league says, he will this

person has had this many concussions we're not going to let them play. >> well, there's an independent neurologist on each side line of every nfl game. they are not affiliated with the teams. those are supposed to be the final line of defense we have not gotten to a point where those neurologists or the league has said you're not allowed to play anymore, but one would imagine if this is yet another significant brain injury, four to that there would be those types of doctors that are affiliated with the nfl or an unaffiliated that would say that tagovailoa, although we'll see what that timeframe is, he's going to have to go through five different steps of protocol just to get cleared for football practices? >> yeah. what's your expectation of what happens here? i mean, i was thinking about this all day today. i don't know i don't think there's any way to know because the football community wants him to retire. that was the emotion today. but for tua tagovailoa, he just signed a massive contract and he's only

26-years-old. now, one would say, well, with that money, he's got financial security for the rest of his life, but he's also a guy that signed that because he wants to play football. he said two years ago so for those other concussions that i've mentioned, he had thought about retiring and decided i love football too much. why would he not feel that today? i don't know. it's such a personal decision. and this is such a unique situation because rarely have we ever had the football world say you need to walk away. usually the football world wants their football players to continue play. but in this case, most don't. >> yeah, it's just a tough a tough situation. and you got to think of his family and there's such a close-knit family also in this that it's just heartbreaking dizzy, damon, thank you for being here. my pleasure. thank you. >> and thank you all so much for being hearing catch damon on his sirius xm show. make sure listening to that thank you for joining us on this friday night up next a cnn newsnight with abby phillip tonight.